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Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.17 23:33:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Stoseph Stuarts wrote:
It's talking like that that makes people scared to actually fight for what they want, this is a game afterall so why should you play under someone's rules that aren't actually the game developers?
You misunderstand. If they could take sov on their own, they wouldn't be renters in the first place. The reason they play under someone else's rules is because this is a sandbox. The rules are whatever you can enforce with your military might. The various nullsec blocs can enforce the rule that if you want to live there, you have to pay them. That is what I am saying. The current null blocs can only enforce it because they scare people into thinking they can't take on their 'military might' the truth of the matter is without the renters supplying them with their 'military might' they wouldn't have anything to enforce their rules with. All it would take is a few months of attritional warfare and I'm sure either the N3 side or CFC sides would fall, maybe even both. The renter side of the CFC is anything but goonswarm federation itself. The alliances that are a part of the CFC are just the puppets of goons so you could say they are goons version of northern associates, why do you think the renter alliance we see is so small? My theory also explains these financial scandals alliances like fatal ascension are having, I wonder who recieved the Isk? ;)
How do you wage a campaign of attrition warfare against someone who controls the stations that your assets are in and can lock you out by pushing a button? Where do the renters get the money to fund their campaign of attrition once they lose access to the space they were renting (as in they literally don't have places to put their ships because none of the stations will let them dock)?
This is also assuming that your hypothethetical rental corp is actually a PvP juggernaut in sheep's clothing and that there are enough of them to present a credible threat to 1,000 man fleets. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:04:00 -
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Stoseph Stuarts wrote:Arkady Romanov wrote:It's becoming increasingly clear that you have zero practical experience on any aspect of SOV warfare. Haha I know how the current SOV warfare works but that only lasts as long as people stay in the current sized groups they are in and use the same tactics they're using, sure the grinding of structures takes a while with say stealth bombers but imagine if you managed to pull together a 1500 man bomber fleet. I wonder how long it would take 1500 bombers to kill an SBU ;)
The idea of putting together a 1500 man bomber fleet is patently absurd and shows how little you understand about what you are discussing. I mean, don't get me wrong, the CFC could do it if we wanted to but we have no reason to do that. For almost anything you would use bombers for, 150 will do it just as well as 1,500 and you're looking at causing huge burnout among your line members (and by a similar measure, 1,500 bombers in one place aren't dramatically harder to shut down than 150)
The other issue is that bomber fleets grinding down structures can generate timers, but can't actually do anything in the fights that determine victory. Suppose your bomber fleets attacked on of our systems. We could completely ignore them while they online SBUs, then let them spend a week bumping things through various timers, and then just drop a stratop fleet on the last one and all their effort would have been wasted because they can't actually fight us.
This is pretty much what we mean when we say 'zero practical experience'.
PS going by outward appearnces MOA pretty much lives to nurse their hate-boner for us but they're a 1,500 man alliance with no logistical backbone so that's pretty much limited to dropping dumb ratters and getting camped into stations. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
438
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:31:00 -
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If you think Sov warfare is as easy as getting some dudes together for a weekend and rolling around blowing up any structures you come across I have some disappointing news for you. Have fun hauling, anchoring, and onlining SBUs across the breadth of Deklein I guess.
Ditto if you think forming a massive coalition capable of taking on one of the established powers is as easy as going "Grr [X]" on the EVE-O forums. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.18 01:56:00 -
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I mean, I'm definitely not saying you shouldn't do this. We're on a pretty long dry spell between wars so more stuff to that involves shooting ships with players inside them is great news. I'm just saying that people with vastly more resources, connections, and experience have tried to destroy us many times and we're still here.
Your most dangerously wrong assumption is that our coalition members are slaves and that if you just pull the wool back a little bit they will realize that the power was in them all along and completely abandon their allegiance to the CFC. |
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